Source
Oct 14, 02:13 PM
1. Does anyone know how Apple will take advantage of this processors 64bit technology?
2. How long will it take before we see an Apple Mac with these new processors?
2. How long will it take before we see an Apple Mac with these new processors?
Pants
Oct 9, 12:11 PM
Originally posted by gopher
[B]Spec fp is extremely biased because it assumes the case of zero error code. It doesn't measure raw performance like floating point calculations per second does. When errors occur in code, the Pentium grinds to a halt, sometimes even making the Pentium IV slower than the Pentium III that is a whole Ghz slower!
yes, but your assuming that
When RC5 and Genentech tests prove that raw performance the G4 is much faster than the Pentium IV or AMD, which it does, then it basically throws out the whole idea that Mhz matters. The G4 is 4 to 5 times faster.
As for hand optimizing code, you don't have to do it. What you do have to do is write developers of your software if you are displeased with how poorly they optimize code, or go seek better written software. That's why people who do video prefer Final Cut Pro over Adobe Premier in many cases.
what when the altivec unit gets starved of data?
Im talking from a 'doing' point of view - when a machine i have spent 2.5k wont allow me to use its best feature (with gcc) then i feel cheated.
[B]Spec fp is extremely biased because it assumes the case of zero error code. It doesn't measure raw performance like floating point calculations per second does. When errors occur in code, the Pentium grinds to a halt, sometimes even making the Pentium IV slower than the Pentium III that is a whole Ghz slower!
yes, but your assuming that
When RC5 and Genentech tests prove that raw performance the G4 is much faster than the Pentium IV or AMD, which it does, then it basically throws out the whole idea that Mhz matters. The G4 is 4 to 5 times faster.
As for hand optimizing code, you don't have to do it. What you do have to do is write developers of your software if you are displeased with how poorly they optimize code, or go seek better written software. That's why people who do video prefer Final Cut Pro over Adobe Premier in many cases.
what when the altivec unit gets starved of data?
Im talking from a 'doing' point of view - when a machine i have spent 2.5k wont allow me to use its best feature (with gcc) then i feel cheated.
Patmian212
Jun 14, 01:41 PM
What computer are you adding?
Oh and WELCOME TO THE TEAM, just dont quit on us!!!
Oh and WELCOME TO THE TEAM, just dont quit on us!!!
mwpeters8182
Mar 31, 01:11 PM
Yes, you'll need a video card. Onboard video would work fine for something like that -- I have a headless file server that I sometimes need to plug a monitor into if the VNC is being a pain.
jefhatfield
Nov 19, 08:31 PM
Originally posted by Macmaniac
Its very ironic that it has finally come to fruition, meaning the 20in iMac, it was such wild speculation, now its reality, just goes to show you anything is possible!
nine months from now, no motorola processors in any macs
it will all be G5s across the board and the G5 powermac will be at 3 ghz...bold, yes...but i think apple finally wants to make up ground they lost when motorola got stuck at 500 mhz for 18 months...yuck!!
Its very ironic that it has finally come to fruition, meaning the 20in iMac, it was such wild speculation, now its reality, just goes to show you anything is possible!
nine months from now, no motorola processors in any macs
it will all be G5s across the board and the G5 powermac will be at 3 ghz...bold, yes...but i think apple finally wants to make up ground they lost when motorola got stuck at 500 mhz for 18 months...yuck!!
painimies
Sep 24, 10:43 AM
Hah, the author thinks the software will become fast and usable and it will affect Apple's hardware sales.
It might affect Apple's hardware sales... Positively. Here's a quote from the article:
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zen
Mar 22, 11:06 AM
So what exactly is the point of posting in this thread then? This is for WoW players. WoW can be an enjoyable game - my wife and I play it together, probably 4 hours per week.
True enough, people can get addicted, but that's not what I'm discussing at all.
So if you haven't got anything to say regarding this thread topic, take it somewhere else!
True enough, people can get addicted, but that's not what I'm discussing at all.
So if you haven't got anything to say regarding this thread topic, take it somewhere else!
Hemingray
Sep 25, 03:33 PM
Originally posted by RogueLdr
While it would be nice to still have the larger cache, cutting it seems to allow Apple to reduce the cost of the dual 1GHz PowerMac without hampering performance and at the same time enhancing the expandability of the machine.
In addition to that, I also think Apple did it from a marketing standpoint to set off the performance from the top-end DP 1.25GHz. If the dual 1GHz had 2MB of L3 cache as well, there wouldn't be as much of a perceived performance difference to justify the extra $800.
While it would be nice to still have the larger cache, cutting it seems to allow Apple to reduce the cost of the dual 1GHz PowerMac without hampering performance and at the same time enhancing the expandability of the machine.
In addition to that, I also think Apple did it from a marketing standpoint to set off the performance from the top-end DP 1.25GHz. If the dual 1GHz had 2MB of L3 cache as well, there wouldn't be as much of a perceived performance difference to justify the extra $800.
bousozoku
May 31, 05:21 PM
the one in the folding FAQ for Extreme Overclocking Folding Stats... its broken.
It's been repaired.
It's been repaired.
pcypert
Mar 17, 10:28 PM
You also have to look at things from the standpoint of someoone who didn't grow up with this or that game. Would the appeal still be there even if they didn't grow up or would they be better off spending time on something new? There are some great games that are revolutionary and should be played by all...but for some this will be like a history lesson as there's little things they're used to now that the old games are missing that.
For a lot of people graphics are a part of the whole equation. So it's fair for games to get rated for having better graphics. Sound doesn't matter to me as I usually have to turn the system down, but I don't whine if sound drags a score down as I know it makes the experience for some folks. Because graphics don't matter to YOU doesn't mean that shouldn't be in the ratings...because they do matter to some folks. They're not wrong in their ratings. They might be biased towards a certain style but all reviewers are...so you learn their bias and read accordingly. I salute folks that can rate a football game as a football game and a RPG as a RPG. Winning 11 8 was a great Winning 11...if it happens to have a higher score than some Zelda game that's fine because it was a really refined game at the time it was reviewed and there are tons of folks here that still play that game non stop.
Paul
For a lot of people graphics are a part of the whole equation. So it's fair for games to get rated for having better graphics. Sound doesn't matter to me as I usually have to turn the system down, but I don't whine if sound drags a score down as I know it makes the experience for some folks. Because graphics don't matter to YOU doesn't mean that shouldn't be in the ratings...because they do matter to some folks. They're not wrong in their ratings. They might be biased towards a certain style but all reviewers are...so you learn their bias and read accordingly. I salute folks that can rate a football game as a football game and a RPG as a RPG. Winning 11 8 was a great Winning 11...if it happens to have a higher score than some Zelda game that's fine because it was a really refined game at the time it was reviewed and there are tons of folks here that still play that game non stop.
Paul
iDM
Jan 24, 10:52 PM
After seeing all of the MacRumors folders, I thought I'd give it a try.
At first I tried downloading the terminal version, that was over my head, so I got rid of that and switched to the Graphical version (NON-screensaver).
Now I don't know what preferences I'm supposed to set...
I figured out the identity settings (I'm EricNau and my team is set to "3446" (MacRumors).
As for the Proxy settings; I don't even know what a proxy is. (As far as networking and Internet goes; I'm clueless). I'm I supposed to use a proxy server, if so, how do I set it up? Does it make a difference?
Should I allow WU larger than 5 MB? (I'm using the iMac in my sig)
What number of polygons should I set, and what should my checkpoint frequency be?
Finally, what view should I set; Spacefilled, Ball & Stick, Wireframe, or Alpha Trace? I don't really care what it looks like, I just want to cut down on wasted CPU usage (as it is much better used to fold). Will Hiding the entire window help?
Thanks.
I am a fresh folder as well. I had a couple question but in the desire of saving a new thread I was wondering if anyone could help.
I just downloaded the .dmg of folding and tonight is my first experience folding so I have got the protein started but I have a couple of questions.
First off, I know that on the FAQ page it says that this program will not over heat your computer as long as it is properly cooled. However I am on a 2-yr old PB that is my main and only machine so with recent posts and threads talking about HD failure after a couple of years it gets me a little concerned. I assume however that this is not a HD intensive only processor intensive which I am more comfortable with but still I would like to know the realistic amount of wear and tear on which components of my machine.
Second according to my calculations the progress is 0.25 after 30 minutes of time. Wouldn't that mean this protein would take 200 hrs? (30x4=120mins(0.25x4=1%) 120x100=12000mins or 200hrs) My concern is not over the run time but over if this will even be useful data after 200hrs. I read somewhere that if the protein is not received in enough time then it can not be used and instead only the stats are added to the folding group which no offense doesn't mean as much to me as the scientific stand point.
Thirdly I understand that running the console uses more processor cycles and therefore isn't as efficient. With that being the case is running terminal the most efficient way?
And last which is least important and more of just a comment/observation, a dual-core or quad-core G5 must dominate these folding tasks. Anyone have any idea if those super computers around the world are doing these calculations? Like that one at Virginia - Tech?
At first I tried downloading the terminal version, that was over my head, so I got rid of that and switched to the Graphical version (NON-screensaver).
Now I don't know what preferences I'm supposed to set...
I figured out the identity settings (I'm EricNau and my team is set to "3446" (MacRumors).
As for the Proxy settings; I don't even know what a proxy is. (As far as networking and Internet goes; I'm clueless). I'm I supposed to use a proxy server, if so, how do I set it up? Does it make a difference?
Should I allow WU larger than 5 MB? (I'm using the iMac in my sig)
What number of polygons should I set, and what should my checkpoint frequency be?
Finally, what view should I set; Spacefilled, Ball & Stick, Wireframe, or Alpha Trace? I don't really care what it looks like, I just want to cut down on wasted CPU usage (as it is much better used to fold). Will Hiding the entire window help?
Thanks.
I am a fresh folder as well. I had a couple question but in the desire of saving a new thread I was wondering if anyone could help.
I just downloaded the .dmg of folding and tonight is my first experience folding so I have got the protein started but I have a couple of questions.
First off, I know that on the FAQ page it says that this program will not over heat your computer as long as it is properly cooled. However I am on a 2-yr old PB that is my main and only machine so with recent posts and threads talking about HD failure after a couple of years it gets me a little concerned. I assume however that this is not a HD intensive only processor intensive which I am more comfortable with but still I would like to know the realistic amount of wear and tear on which components of my machine.
Second according to my calculations the progress is 0.25 after 30 minutes of time. Wouldn't that mean this protein would take 200 hrs? (30x4=120mins(0.25x4=1%) 120x100=12000mins or 200hrs) My concern is not over the run time but over if this will even be useful data after 200hrs. I read somewhere that if the protein is not received in enough time then it can not be used and instead only the stats are added to the folding group which no offense doesn't mean as much to me as the scientific stand point.
Thirdly I understand that running the console uses more processor cycles and therefore isn't as efficient. With that being the case is running terminal the most efficient way?
And last which is least important and more of just a comment/observation, a dual-core or quad-core G5 must dominate these folding tasks. Anyone have any idea if those super computers around the world are doing these calculations? Like that one at Virginia - Tech?
2nyRiggz
Mar 19, 09:30 AM
Updates are always good but what about checking messages without leaving the game...I hope its in there.
Bless
Bless
sparkleytone
Oct 3, 08:28 PM
the discovery of chimera (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1478&perpage=25&highlight=chimera&pagenumber=3#post30433)
p0intblank
Apr 9, 01:21 PM
Wow, that's insane... but awesome at the same time. If I worked for Apple, I would definitely obey their rules.
dongmin
Sep 28, 01:10 PM
Originally posted by Ervino
Yawwwn! I can't belive that somebody is *still* wasting money & time with that lame iPod.
Please, get a look on a *real* little wonder:
Archos MULTIMEDIA JukeBox
http://www.archos.com/lang=en//products/prw_500281.html
And, please, not again the boring reply "but the iPod have FireWire by default"... ;-)))
Cheers
Ervino
Hey does this multimedia jukebox thing even exist? They've yet to see any real product shots on their page. All you see are the same renderings they've had up for over 6 months now. Are there any reviews of this thing? I'm thinking vaporware...
Yawwwn! I can't belive that somebody is *still* wasting money & time with that lame iPod.
Please, get a look on a *real* little wonder:
Archos MULTIMEDIA JukeBox
http://www.archos.com/lang=en//products/prw_500281.html
And, please, not again the boring reply "but the iPod have FireWire by default"... ;-)))
Cheers
Ervino
Hey does this multimedia jukebox thing even exist? They've yet to see any real product shots on their page. All you see are the same renderings they've had up for over 6 months now. Are there any reviews of this thing? I'm thinking vaporware...
Dont Hurt Me
May 19, 01:03 PM
Apple made the best OS in the world and decided not to market it, instead they tied it to the hardware. Jobs what the H _ _ _ were you thinking?
job
Oct 17, 04:39 PM
Eh? What Marathon posting rampage??
medea
Sep 26, 09:43 AM
Forget the "cubed" pc, take a look at the Lipton Ice Tea can! I mean wow those belgiums sure have nice cans........maybe that came out the wrong way.
Diatribe
Jan 4, 10:10 AM
WOW. Those prices are pretty great!
Now when exactly did you get your iMac G5? Oh well, I guess prices are never safe, but now it's gonna be tough to sell my 12" to get a 15" without paying a huge upgrade price. :(
Now when exactly did you get your iMac G5? Oh well, I guess prices are never safe, but now it's gonna be tough to sell my 12" to get a 15" without paying a huge upgrade price. :(
bousozoku
Jun 1, 11:46 PM
I noticed that c|net, in all their fabulousness, decided to take a shot at this situation as evidence of a buggy Apple product. Of course, the Mac-o-lytes shot back, feeding the fire.
I wonder if the transparency of the elevator is adjustable.
I wonder if the transparency of the elevator is adjustable.
zimv20
Sep 29, 05:04 PM
Originally posted by Ervino
quote: with way less money than Apple to spend in pumping they products, so they are, by definition, inferior, right? Why give their stuff a real look, when you can much more easily go with bias... :rolleyes:
Beside all this, I use a Mac from 1990 and I started my career in 1993 writing about Apple Newton (*THE* Pda still now!), so I can hardly be defined a "PC Troll"... :)
quote: with way less money than Apple to spend in pumping they products, so they are, by definition, inferior, right? Why give their stuff a real look, when you can much more easily go with bias... :rolleyes:
Beside all this, I use a Mac from 1990 and I started my career in 1993 writing about Apple Newton (*THE* Pda still now!), so I can hardly be defined a "PC Troll"... :)
AmigoMac
Oct 19, 12:50 PM
Making cherries from pears ... sure :rolleyes:
Dreadnought
May 18, 03:29 PM
Once again. To avoid Tinkers on G3s and G4s. Turn 5MB OFF and leave -advmethods on. G5s can handle Tinkers no problem. Keep up the fold!
We have discussed those methods before, and that doesn't help. The 5MB are for new WU's, Beta units if I'm correct. -advmethods wasn't for Tinkers (or not getting them). And G5's can handle Tinkers, G4 and G3's can too. It only takes a bit longer. I also see a big dent in my output with my G5.
We have discussed those methods before, and that doesn't help. The 5MB are for new WU's, Beta units if I'm correct. -advmethods wasn't for Tinkers (or not getting them). And G5's can handle Tinkers, G4 and G3's can too. It only takes a bit longer. I also see a big dent in my output with my G5.
sushi
May 27, 01:34 AM
And I'm all for spoofing SJ.
Me too...when it's funny.
Me too...when it's funny.